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<title>Kernel Traffic</title>

<editor contact="mailto:zbrown@tumblerings.org">Zack Brown</editor>

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<a href="http://www.tux.org/lkml/#s3-1">subscribe to linux-kernel</a> | 
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<a href="http://www.memalpha.cx/Linux/Kernel/">All Kernels</a> | 
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<a href="http://jungla.dit.upm.es/~jmseyas/linux/kernel/hackers-docs.html">Kernel Docs</a> | 
<a href="http://members.aa.net/~swear/pedia/kernel.html">Gary's Encyclopedia: Linux Kernel</a> | 
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<section
  title="Using Network Devices For /dev/random Entropy Pool"
  author="Zack Brown"
  contact="mailto:zbrown@tumblerings.org"
  subject="Linux 2.4.9-ac10"
  archive="http://www.uwsg.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0109.0/1153.html"
  posts="6"
  startdate="07 Sep 2001 15:55:00 -0800"
  enddate="16 Sep 2001 09:43:13 -0800"
>
<topic>Kernel Release Announcement</topic>
<topic>Random Number Generation</topic>

<mention>Alan Cox</mention>
<mention>Mike Fedyk</mention>

<p>Alan Cox announced 2.4.9-ac10, and Mike Fedyk asked if there were any
plans to merge Robert Love's patch to allow network devices to contribute
to the entropy pool for /dev/random. Robert replied:</p>

<quote who="Robert Love">

<p>While I would love to see the network entropy patch merged into 2.4
(its an option -- plus, since it standardizes the handfull of drivers that
currently _do_ contribute to the entropy pool, its a nice cleanup) I am
aiming for 2.5.</p>

<p>I keep the patch up to date with both Linus's and Alan's
tree.  Patches against the current kernel can be found at <a
href="http://tech9.net/rml/linux/">http://tech9.net/rml/linux/</a> -
2.4.9-ac10 patches are up.</p>

</quote>

</section>

<section
  title="InterMezzo 1.0.5.2 High-Availability Filesystem Announced"
  author="Zack Brown"
  contact="mailto:zbrown@tumblerings.org"
  subject="[ANNOUNCEMENT] InterMezzo 1.0.5.2"
  archive="http://www.uwsg.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0109.1/0740.html"
  posts="3"
  startdate="13 Sep 2001 11:37:26 -0800"
  enddate="14 Sep 2001 12:14:54 -0800"
>
<topic>Access Control Lists</topic>
<topic>Extended Attributes</topic>
<topic>FS: Coda</topic>
<topic>FS: InterMezzo</topic>
<topic>FS: NFS</topic>
<topic>FS: ext3</topic>
<topic>Version Control</topic>

<mention>Pavel Machek</mention>
<mention>Stephen Tweedie</mention>

<p>Peter J. Braam announced:</p>

<quote who="Peter J. Braam">

<p>I have just released InterMezzo 1.0.5.2. This is a further test
version ramping up for a stable Linux 2.4 release in 1.0.6.  We now
believe we have fixed most problems in InterMezzo related to Linux
2.4.  This code is released under the GPL.</p>

<p>WHAT IS INTERMEZZO?</p>

<p>InterMezzo is a high availability file system which replicates
directory trees among systems.  It provides disconnected operation,
journal recovery and kernel level write back caching.  It can use the
rsync algorithm for synchronization.  It uses protocols somewhat
similar to Coda's.</p>

<p>This release includes a kernel rpm (2.4.9-ac5). The 2.4 -ac series
includes intermezzo and this kernel includes a minor extra intermezzo
patch to pure -ac.</p>

<p>WHAT'S NEW IN THIS RELEASE?</p>

<p>

<ul>

<li>it works with ordered data, provided you use the latest ext3
  (Stephen Tweedie)</li>
<li>replicates ACL's and other extended attributes (requires kernel with
  EA, not packaged) (Shirish Phatak)</li>
<li>better handling of InterMezzo specific metadata (Phil Schwan and me)</li>

</ul>

</p>

<p>WHAT'S NEXT?</p>

<p>

<ul>

<li>data on demand</li>
<li>better handling of NFS servers</li>
<li>DAFS style network packets</li>
<li>better handling of (false) conflicts for laptop users</li>

</ul>

</p>

<p>DISCLAIMER:</p>

<p>Read the file COPYING in the distribution to see the conditions under
which this software is made available.  Please use this version at
your own risk and exercise care (back up your systems etc).  [With the
2.2.19 kernels fewer problems are known, but a 2.2.19 kernel RPM is
not included.]</p>

<p>WHERE TO GET IT:</p>

<p>You can get sources and rpms from</p>

<p><a
href="ftp://ftp.inter-mezzo.org/pub/intermezzo/current">ftp://ftp.inter-mezzo.org/pub/intermezzo/current</a></p>

<p>Documentation is included and available at:
<a href="http://www.inter-mezzo.org/">http://www.inter-mezzo.org/</a></p>

<p>Or get code from the intermezzo project on sourceforge.  Check out the
CVS tag r1_0_5_2.</p>

</quote>

<p>Pavel Machek asked if this code was released under the standard GPL,
or a variant. Peter replied, <quote who="Peter J. Braam">Standard GPL -
and there are a lot of copyright holders already, so it's solid.</quote></p>

</section>

<section
  title="linux-kernel Mailing List Digest Available"
  author="Zack Brown"
  contact="mailto:zbrown@tumblerings.org"
  subject="[ANNOUNCE] linux-kernel-digest at http://lists.us.dell.com"
  archive="http://www.uwsg.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0109.2/0209.html"
  posts="1"
  startdate="17 Sep 2001 07:45:24 -0800"
>

<p>Matt Domsch of Dell announced:</p>

<quote who="Matt Domsch">

<p>Dell is pleased to provide digest forms of the linux-kernel and linux-scsi
mailing lists.  These lists, along with some Dell-specific lists, are hosted
at <a href="http://lists.us.dell.com/">http://lists.us.dell.com/</a>, using
the GNU Mailman list software, on a 2x1GHz Dell PowerEdge 2450 server.</p>

<p>Two digest forms of linux-kernel are provided.

<ul>

<li>linux-kernel-digest - sent every 100KB as needed</li>

<li>linux-kernel-daily-digest - sent only once per day, somewhat under 1MB per.</li>

</ul>

</p>

<p>Please direct any feedback about these lists to <a
href="mailto:mailman@lists.us.dell.com">mailman@lists.us.dell.com</a>.</p>

</quote>

</section>

<section
  title="Situation Of External ext3 Journal Under 2.2"
  author="Zack Brown"
  contact="mailto:zbrown@tumblerings.org"
  subject="Ext3 journal on its own device?"
  archive="http://www.uwsg.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0109.2/0210.html"
  posts="8"
  startdate="17 Sep 2001 07:54:40 -0800"
  enddate="18 Sep 2001 02:29:30 -0800"
>
<topic>FS: ext2</topic>
<topic>FS: ext3</topic>

<p>Juan Piernas Conovas looked over the ext3 0.0.7a source and discovered that
it was impossible to use a block device as a journal. Christian Borntr&#230;ger
pointed out that ext3 was already at version .99, and that Juan should look
over some more recent code. But Juan replied that he was using kernel version
2.2, and ext3 0.0.7a was the most recent code for that kernel. Christian
replied, <quote who="Christian Borntr&#230;ger">good point. I am not sure if
ext3 is still maintained for linux 2.2, but I doubt it. Andrew or Stephen
should be able to answer this question.  But with 0.0.7a it is not possible
to have an external journal.</quote> Andrew Morton agreed that it wouldn't
be possible to have an external journal with that version, and added, <quote
who="Andrew Morton">Stephen is actively maintaining ext3 for the 2.2 kernels,
but it is definitely in "maintenance mode".</quote> Stephen C. Tweedie added,
<quote who="Stephen C. Tweedie">Critical bugfixes only for 2.2.  All current
development is 2.4 only.  There are _tons_ of improvements in 2.4 which will
not be back-ported; 2.4 is the official current ext3.</quote> Elsewhere he
added:</p>

<quote who="Stephen C. Tweedie">

<p>In the 2.2 code (ext3-0.0.7a), the journal has to be part of the filesystem.
The current e2fsprogs and 2.4 ext3 code (ext3-0.9.9) does support journals
on other devices, but there's more support to be added before it's truly
complete (in particular we want to support several filesystems journaling
to a single shared journal spool.)</p>

<p>The separate-journal-disk code hasn't been tested as much as the default
journal-on-main-filesystem code, and it's not officially supported, so the
format might change in the future.  But it should work.</p>

</quote>

<p>Andreas Dilger also mentioned, <quote who="Andreas Dilger">There was a
patch for 2.2 journal devices long ago, but I'm not sure if it was updated
to work with the new "format" of the external journal.  It was posted to
ext2-devel by Marcelo Tossatti, probably 6 months ago or more.</quote></p>

</section>

<section
  title="kernel.org Downtime And IP Number Change"
  author="Zack Brown"
  contact="mailto:zbrown@tumblerings.org"
  subject="kernel.org downtime and IP number change - Wed, Sep 19, 2001"
  archive="http://www.uwsg.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0109.2/0302.html"
  posts="4"
  startdate="17 Sep 2001 15:05:13 -0800"
  enddate="17 Sep 2001 17:53:07 -0800"
>

<p>H. Peter Anvin said:</p>

<quote who="H. Peter Anvin">

<p>kernel.org will be moving to a new location at the Internet Software
Consortium (ISC) this coming Wednesday, September 19.  For the duration of
the move, ftp/www.kernel.org, filehub.kernel.org and its associated
services will be unavailable.</p>

<p>Mirror sites will continue to be available, of course, and http requests
will be redirected to a web page which has the mirror sites listed.</p>

<p>The new IP addresses will be as follows:</p>

<p>

<ul>

<li>204.152.189.113:
        ftp.kernel.org, www.kernel.org, ns2.kernel.org</li>
<li>204.152.189.114:
        filehub.kernel.org</li>
<li>204.152.189.115:
        www.linuxbase.org</li>
<li>204.152.189.116:
        www.li18nux.org</li>
<li>204.152.189.117:
        nic.os.org</li>
<li>204.152.189.118:
        www.linuxeda.com</li>
<li>204.152.189.119:
        www.lanana.org</li>
<li>204.152.189.120:
        www.freestandards.org</li>

</ul>

</p>

</quote>

<p>Aaron Lehmann asked, <quote who="Aaron Lehmann">Is IP-based virtual
hosting still in fashion?</quote> H. Peter replied, <quote who="H. Peter
Anvin">It is if you care about anything but HTTP and mail.</quote></p>

</section>

<section
  title="Coda And ext3"
  author="Mark Zealey"
  contact="mailto:mark@itsolve.co.uk"
  subject="Coda and Ext3"
  archive="http://www.uwsg.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0109.2/0653.html"
  posts="6"
  startdate="19 Sep 2001 06:23:32 -0800"
  enddate="20 Sep 2001 08:30:23 -0800"
>
<topic>FS: Coda</topic>
<topic>FS: ext3</topic>
<topic>USB</topic>

<p>Sujal Shah asked:</p>

<quote who="Sujal Shah">

<p>The Linux Coda drivers and the ext3 patches don't seem to get along
very well, at least in Linux 2.4.7.  I've got a stock 2.4.7 kernel with
a patch applied to the USB drivers (for a sony digital camera; see <a
href="http://www.sujal.net/tech/linux/">http://www.sujal.net/tech/linux/</a>
just a change in unusual_devs.h).</p>

<p>After I applied the ext3 patches from <a
href="http://www.uow.edu.au/~andrewm/linux/ext3/">
http://www.uow.edu.au/~andrewm/linux/ext3/</a>.  Basically, when an application
tries to write to a file system mounted via coda, the application terminates
with "Memory Fault" returned to the terminal.  THe file system still thinks
it's busy (can't umount).</p>

</quote>

<p>Jan Harkes replied, <quote who="Jan Harkes">Yeah, I know, and it will
probably work when you don't enable data-journalling. Coda's kernelmodule
currently uses generic_file_read and generic_file_write on it's containerfiles,
which works for many filesystems. However, ext3fs (and tmpfs and several
others) have a filesystem specific write implementation and don't really
like being called with the generic functions. The patch is simple, but
I haven't made it yet.</quote> A few hours later, he made and posted his
patch, but Florian Schaefer replied, <quote who="Florian Schaefer">I just
tried your patch together with coda-debug-client-5.3.15-1, kernel-2.4.9 and
ext3-2.4-0.9.6-249 and still get the BUG message</quote>. Jan replied <quote
who="Jan Harkes">No, different bug.</quote> He explained <quote who="Jan
Harkes">Your bug is unusual, because it happens during the mount, everybody
else successfully mounted Coda and could read files, it would just die when
trying to write anything.</quote> He summarized, <quote who="Jan Harkes"> I'm
clueless how this could have happened, and I can't see how it could happen.
Perhaps a patch got botched, or your kernel is mixing up objects from before
the patch with later ones.</quote></p>

</section>

</kc>

